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that would extend the tax cuts for the middle class. that means the middle class can go out and do christmas shopping and buy thing for their families because they would know that their tacks are not going up. it's being held hostage by the house of representatives. that would be the best thing that we can do right now. >> now, if they, in fact, allow the tax cut across the board and then come back in, i understand that some are saying that it's better to have no deal than to have a bad deal. where do you stand on that, senator harkin. >> better noç deal than a bad deal. >> what do you mean by that? >> to make the elderly pay more on their deductibles or co-pays and to mess around with cost of living adjustment on social security, that's a bad deal. that shouldn't even be part of the discussion. if that's where they are headed, i say no deal. we'll discuss that later on. the most important thing right now is just to have the house pass the tax cut for the middle class. that would be the best single thing that we can do right now. but
that would extend the tax cuts for the middle class. that means the middle class can go out and do christmas shopping and buy thing for their families because they would know that their tacks are not going up. it's being held hostage by the house of representatives. that would be the best thing that we can do right now. >> now, if they, in fact, allow the tax cut across the board and then come back in, i understand that some are saying that it's better to have no deal than to have a bad...
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there's a lot of trust being put forward by lawmakers supporting president obama. are you confident that there's not going to be a bad deal out there for liberals? >> well, what i'm worried about is that there will be something between raising the age of medicare eligibility or means testing, further means testing medicare. you know, ed, we means test medicare right now. that's a really important point that gets lost. people who make over $85,000 a year pay more already. it's like, you know, arsenic or cyanide, which do you prefer? i don't think we should agree to either one. >> well, cantor and ryan are part of boehner's strategy team. what does that mean? >> i don't know what the heck that means. it probably means we won't get an agreement. boehner was again talking about the democrats really want business -- small business tax increases and the same old line that he's being fed. and he hasn't put his ideas on the table in a very clear way. >> is boehner about keeping his job? is he all about making sure that he can do a deal and still be speaker? >> that's what
there's a lot of trust being put forward by lawmakers supporting president obama. are you confident that there's not going to be a bad deal out there for liberals? >> well, what i'm worried about is that there will be something between raising the age of medicare eligibility or means testing, further means testing medicare. you know, ed, we means test medicare right now. that's a really important point that gets lost. people who make over $85,000 a year pay more already. it's like, you...
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that would let president obama pocket $1 trillion in tax revenue and secure a win on his key priority in the talks. but they would do nothing else. at the end of the year, we would still go over the fiscal cliff. remember, the bush tax cuts are one of the at least stimulative policies in the negotiations. according to the economic policy institute, extending the middle class tax cuts would wipe out only about 11% of the austerity's economic impact. 11%. but all that other stuff, the payroll tax cut, the unemployment insurance, the sequester, all that, that would still be expiring. so come early next year, the economy would likely be entering an austerity-induced recession. markets would be convulsing as they realize our austerity crisis is about to become also a default crisis. and so the economy, as a whole, is going to be going nuts. poll after poll already shows republicans are receiving more blame for the potential failure of the debt talks. and after telling the press they're going to make a strategic decision to use a debt ceiling as more and more dangerous leverage, they're lik
that would let president obama pocket $1 trillion in tax revenue and secure a win on his key priority in the talks. but they would do nothing else. at the end of the year, we would still go over the fiscal cliff. remember, the bush tax cuts are one of the at least stimulative policies in the negotiations. according to the economic policy institute, extending the middle class tax cuts would wipe out only about 11% of the austerity's economic impact. 11%. but all that other stuff, the payroll tax...
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this hasn't presented itself as a party that wants to cut spending. on one hand you have president obama's proposal, which most agree is the responsible way of raising the debt, raising rates. and responsible cuts on entitlements and discretionary spending versus republicans who are divided against something that is a chicken hawk when it comes to the deficits, that is the boehner approach, or the more extremist position which is absolutely nothing.ç so this is an extraordinary position for the republican party to have evolved into. >> you must respond to what julian just said. >> i like julian an awful lot but i think what he said is entirely wrong. it's fascinating president obama last july, july of 2011, said we can get $1.2 trillion in revenue where we don't have to raise marginal tax rates and close loopholes and julian says most economists agree, in fact, this won't add to the deficit. look, you're only talking about $89 billion a year of the tax dollars of top two drapes. julian and i will agree, however, this deal is not serious. you need to
this hasn't presented itself as a party that wants to cut spending. on one hand you have president obama's proposal, which most agree is the responsible way of raising the debt, raising rates. and responsible cuts on entitlements and discretionary spending versus republicans who are divided against something that is a chicken hawk when it comes to the deficits, that is the boehner approach, or the more extremist position which is absolutely nothing.ç so this is an extraordinary position for...
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the re-election of president obama validates his particular approach here, which is that middle class people should not have a burden placed upon their shoulders. the working classes should not be punished, and god knows the working poor should not be further marginalized in this economy by trying to give goodies and treats to the republicans. they are playing grinch for -- the grinches who stole the christmas of working class people here, and president obama is trying to talk about the spirit of generosity and common sense of the american people. so what he's been trying to say is, i'm not going to budge, and i think he's got a reassured approach here. the american public has spoken. president obama has girded up his lions and he's digging in his heels. it may be one of these right before the stroke of midnight that he says, look, i have no other choice here. we're not going to have this mexican standoff, so to speak, and i have to get out of the way in the game of chicken. recogniz otherwise, ear all going to be soup at the end of the day. >> harry reid cites paul ryan as one of tho
the re-election of president obama validates his particular approach here, which is that middle class people should not have a burden placed upon their shoulders. the working classes should not be punished, and god knows the working poor should not be further marginalized in this economy by trying to give goodies and treats to the republicans. they are playing grinch for -- the grinches who stole the christmas of working class people here, and president obama is trying to talk about the spirit...
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think about that. >> jim demint is cutting and running. john boehner is in a box. grover norquist near oblivion. karl rove benched on fox news. and the real action of barack obama has sent the republican party into total disarray. >> that's what i'm talking about. >> congressman jim clyburn of south carolina and eugene robinson on the latest republican fiasco. >>> plus, congressman chris van hollen on john boehner's latest concession on the fiscal cliff. michael eric dyson and donna gentile-o'donnell on the political fallout. howard dean on chris christie's big decision on the obama care exchange. and apple's ceo breaks big news to nbc's brian williams. >> next year, we will do one of our existing mac lines in the united states. >> tonight, a story of economic patriotism in an era of bain capital with e.j. dionne. good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. the reality of the election is start to set in on members of the republican party. republican senator jim demint of south carolina is leaving capitol hill to become president of the heritage fo
think about that. >> jim demint is cutting and running. john boehner is in a box. grover norquist near oblivion. karl rove benched on fox news. and the real action of barack obama has sent the republican party into total disarray. >> that's what i'm talking about. >> congressman jim clyburn of south carolina and eugene robinson on the latest republican fiasco. >>> plus, congressman chris van hollen on john boehner's latest concession on the fiscal cliff. michael eric...
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he knows fail to cut this on schedule is a risk of unclear dimension. nobody knows, i don't, how bad the whirlwinds will be if he we fail to do this on time. one thing for certain, no guarantee that a huge drop in faith of the world economic markets will be followed by a quick rebound. as i said, this is a real cliff, not a bungee jump. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "the ed show" with ed schultz starts right now. >>> good evening, americans, welcome to "the ed show" from new york. senator jim demint has met his waterloo. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> one republican senator said, i'm quoting him now, if we're able to stop obama on this, it will be his waterloo. it will break him. think about that. >> jim demint is cutting and running. john boehner is in a box. grover norquist near oblivion. karl rove benched on fox news. and the real action of barack obama has sent the republican party into total disarray. >> that's what i'm talking about. >> congressman jim clyburn of south carolina and eugene robinson on the latest
he knows fail to cut this on schedule is a risk of unclear dimension. nobody knows, i don't, how bad the whirlwinds will be if he we fail to do this on time. one thing for certain, no guarantee that a huge drop in faith of the world economic markets will be followed by a quick rebound. as i said, this is a real cliff, not a bungee jump. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "the ed show" with ed schultz starts right now. >>> good evening, americans,...
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what kind of political positioning is this and there was an election and obama and senator demint was on fox and more power in the senate than he did in. now watch this. >> this is a dream job for me. it critically important. i don't think republicans are going to win another national election until they first convince americans that our principles work. i think i'm in a more powerful position than a single united states senator. >> being in the minority is no fun but that's a pretty pathetic statement about what it means to be in the minority. the thing that bugs me about demint choosing to do this is immigration is going to be one of the first things that the senate tackles this year. he was a big player in 2007 pushing against bush effort for bipartisan reform. he was taking about building a 700-mile long wall along our south border. i'm not certain why he would choose this moment. >> have a great weekend. >> you, too. >>> she jumped in our hearts at the london games and now she's writing all about it on how she got there. gold medal winner gabby douglas is here. she might even tel
what kind of political positioning is this and there was an election and obama and senator demint was on fox and more power in the senate than he did in. now watch this. >> this is a dream job for me. it critically important. i don't think republicans are going to win another national election until they first convince americans that our principles work. i think i'm in a more powerful position than a single united states senator. >> being in the minority is no fun but that's a...
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that president obama has laid out or more entitlement cuts, but something. i think john boehner has to go back to his members and say look, president obama won the election, polling suggests we republicans lose if we go over the cliff, and i got this one thing that's going to mitigate your unhappiness over the fact that we're moving up rates on the wealthiest americans. he needs the third part to sell the whole package. >> and david, there is a jobs report today which sort of mixed news for everyone. it's a good number, down to 7.7%, unemployment, 146,000 new jobs added but the downside is that fewer people were in the labor force a lot fewer, because people gave up on even trying. >> i think this is one of the more provocative questions and get to it on sunday, which is, are we too focused on the debt. are we not focused enough on what the government can be doing to try to spur job growth? beyond just -- >> there was a stimulus piece in the offer from the white house that was laughed at by the -- >> laughed at but could end up surviving. one of the things a
that president obama has laid out or more entitlement cuts, but something. i think john boehner has to go back to his members and say look, president obama won the election, polling suggests we republicans lose if we go over the cliff, and i got this one thing that's going to mitigate your unhappiness over the fact that we're moving up rates on the wealthiest americans. he needs the third part to sell the whole package. >> and david, there is a jobs report today which sort of mixed news...
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president obama want congress to cut a check for $60 billion in aid to hurricane sandy victims. house leadership hopes to get the money flowing fast. >>> video captures a 7.3 quake off the coast of japan. several people were reportedly hurt. >>> and sad news from the london hospital where kate middleton was treated. a nurse who fielded it the call that was a hoax call has taken her own life. she was a first-class nurse, says the hospital. back to "hardball." >>> well, this isn't a progress report because there's no progress to report. when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was speaker boehner's downbeat assessment of fiscal negotiations. he went on putting blame squarely on the president. let's listen. >> this president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. it's time for the president, if he's serious, to come back to us with a counteroffer. >> shortly after, house minority leader nancy pelosi put
president obama want congress to cut a check for $60 billion in aid to hurricane sandy victims. house leadership hopes to get the money flowing fast. >>> video captures a 7.3 quake off the coast of japan. several people were reportedly hurt. >>> and sad news from the london hospital where kate middleton was treated. a nurse who fielded it the call that was a hoax call has taken her own life. she was a first-class nurse, says the hospital. back to "hardball."...
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hey, guys, let's give the president the middle class tax cuts. i'm not going to cut the big deal with him. >> more leverage. >> more leverage. >> but an hour from now, obama is going to be in front of the business roundtable and trying to enlist them and other business lead eers to say, god, don't put us through this again. don't put the economy through again. he's already preparing for that. >> the people who really get stuff done in washington, the business lobby, the defense lobby. now here is the difference. the difference with this dynamic, the hostage takers last time have been taken hostage, right? the people who are prepared to bust through all of these moments and really go over the cliff are the democrats. they don't mind taxes. you've got a different dynamic just because who is willing to go through the deadline? >> errol, the president will meet with those ceos. how many will look and say, you know what, hey, buddy, you stink at running negotiations. will you get into a room and work this out? enough of this public posturing. it's abs
hey, guys, let's give the president the middle class tax cuts. i'm not going to cut the big deal with him. >> more leverage. >> more leverage. >> but an hour from now, obama is going to be in front of the business roundtable and trying to enlist them and other business lead eers to say, god, don't put us through this again. don't put the economy through again. he's already preparing for that. >> the people who really get stuff done in washington, the business lobby, the...
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obama's view is we've cut so much from that already we have to be careful how much more we cut. >> when you talk about discretionary spending cuts, a big difference between defense cuts and domestic cuts. does it go after defense spending the way he has? >> he hasn't spelled it out yet. we don't know. r&d, a lot of investment programs we think we need to keep this economy growing. >> can i ask a question? what makes up the difference between the bowles-simpson proposals and the other ones? why is that so much higher? what are they leaving out? >> there were more tax increases. it was light on entitlements. >> okay. >> where did bowles-simpson get the revenue. >> they eliminated a whole slaw and lowering rates and also a tax on gasoline. >> they let the bush tax cuts expire, right? >> initially they did and then were going to do tax reform. >> would they increase the taxes on the rich? >> yeah. >> they would? >> yes. >> to the same extent? >> i would have to do the math. >> don't you do any homework? >> numbers cruncher. dad, thank you so much. i wasn't chained in any way. >> no, he didn
obama's view is we've cut so much from that already we have to be careful how much more we cut. >> when you talk about discretionary spending cuts, a big difference between defense cuts and domestic cuts. does it go after defense spending the way he has? >> he hasn't spelled it out yet. we don't know. r&d, a lot of investment programs we think we need to keep this economy growing. >> can i ask a question? what makes up the difference between the bowles-simpson proposals...